Okay – so I am working through the learners who are on this report without a payment being recorded and I cannot work out why a learner is appearing on there…. I have checked:
Age – learner is 17
Small Employer Flag – this is ticked and was ticked in the first ILR the record was returned in.
Total Negotiated Price – is the same as the Maximum band so that can’t be triggering a different payment.
Employer has not been flagged as an issue re size.
What else do I need to check / have I missed ?
Thanks in advance!December 6, 2017 at 4:25 pm #220299
hmmm, the guidance here:
does have a bit of a disclaimer/known issue:
If the small employer waiver applies, you must report the ‘SEM’ flag in the ILR at
the start of the programme. Reporting the SEM flag after the start month results
in co-investment being calculated in the months before the flag was added. This
may continue to appear in this report even if the waiver is recorded in future
months but we will correct this data.
Might it be that?December 6, 2017 at 4:35 pm #220301
Ah, sorry, see you’ve addressed that! Bit stumped then!December 6, 2017 at 4:36 pm #220303
Was going to follow up with what Steve said…can you specify what payment types have been calculated? The reports will give you all the different payment types. Presumably the employer co-investment required is > 0, but is there a corresponding amount of ESFA co-investment paid? Just want to check as that should be > 0 as well.
December 7, 2017 at 9:58 am #220450
- This reply was modified 9 months, 2 weeks ago by AlexSFA.
Hi Alex –
ESFA Co-investment paid shows £160
Co-investment required shows £17.78
For my own notes in triple checking = we enrolled the learner on 25th September, ticked the small employer flag on 29th Sept and submitted on 4th October – the flag was in that file.
There is a problem with his working hours field but wouldn’t thought that would come in to it in this report ?
Thanks, Elisa.December 7, 2017 at 12:25 pm #220501
Does the employment status with the SEM flag apply on or before the programme start date?
AlexDecember 7, 2017 at 12:49 pm #220509
Hi – where are these reports as they do not appear on my Hub?
DonnaDecember 7, 2017 at 1:05 pm #220515
You may need to request access. If you can already access QARs you should have access to to the FRM dashboard through the ‘BI Tools’ area of the Hub.
Further guidance on accessing BIRST and the reports can be found in the monitoring reports user guide :
AlexDecember 7, 2017 at 1:14 pm #220522
Hi Alex –
It applies on the day they started the apprenticeship.
It is a learner who started on a full-time programme and then gained an apprenticeship.
Thanks, Elisa.December 8, 2017 at 3:26 pm #220785
Can you confirm what the outcome was of this ? I am looking at the R05 and October shows a payment required but November onwards doesn’t.
Thanks in advance.
Elisa.January 15, 2018 at 12:13 pm #228811
I was advised by the service desk that this was a known issue which would be resolved from R04 onwards.
We are the same as you however, as we have one learner who is showing in the Hub reports with a co-investment amount due for October only.January 15, 2018 at 3:10 pm #228855
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