Tagged: DAS Agreement Identifier
Has anyone been able to find out whether the agreement identifier is now showing on the employer’s DAS yet?
and if so where they can find it.
Many ThanksAugust 6, 2018 at 2:30 pm #277758
Well according to the provider support manual for 18/19:
4.7 Employment status 4.7.1 Agreement identifier
232. This is a new field for 2018 to 2019. The agreement identifier is a unique number that is automatically generated and displayed when an employer signs their employer agreement within their apprenticeship service account.
233. In the 2018 to 2019 funding year, training providers will need to enter the identifier for any levy-funded apprenticeships in their Individualised Learner Record (ILR) returns. This will need to be done for any new starts and for all current apprentices that started before August 2018.
234. Training providers will be able to view the identifier within the “Apprentice” section of their training provider account on the Apprenticeship Service.
235. Employers will be able to see their agreement identifier within the “Your organisations and agreements” section of their account within the Apprenticeship Service and can supply the number to their training provider once it is available.
236. The agreement identifier will be will be displayed against each organisation (legal entity) that signs an employer agreement. This will be displayed in the “Your organisations and agreement” section of their account.
237. If the agreement has already been signed then the agreement identifier will be displayed automatically.
But I don’t know if it is actually visible or not yet ?August 6, 2018 at 2:52 pm #277760
I can’t see anything on our Apprentice’s tab in our DAS account to indicate an ID number of sorts?August 6, 2018 at 3:02 pm #277763
Unfortunately I can’t suggest anything else as I don’t have access to the AS system at all – there have been several other topics on this forum on the same thing – as this has to be returned for 17/18 carryover as well as 18/19 starts, time is getting very short to get everything done for the period 1 submission.
AS assistance on the matter has been woeful to non-existent. Looking at their blog (https://sfadigital.blog.gov.uk/category/digital-apprenticeship-service/) I imagine the details are somewhere on a coloured post-it note, of which they are so very fondAugust 6, 2018 at 3:14 pm #277773
I have emailed the apprenticeship service and received the reply below:
Thank you for contacting the National Apprenticeship Service, my name is Ashley. I understand from your email that you would like some further information on the ‘agreement identifier’.
At present the ‘agreement identifier’ is not live and it will not be required until the September data return.August 6, 2018 at 3:44 pm #277791
Thanks KLF, that’s good to know. Hopefully the hub validation will be updated !August 6, 2018 at 4:03 pm #277795SFA STAFF
Dear apprenticeship training providers,
We are currently conducting research on how apprenticeship training providers might find the agreement identifier for including in ILR data returns.
Our researchers would welcome the chance to discuss this with you and gather your feedback on prototype screens relating to this.
This feedback session would take place via a 30 minute web conference in which the researcher would share their screen with you for you to see and provide feedback.
If you would like to participate in this research, please book a suitable time slot at the weblink below. Sessions are taking place this week and next week, from Thursday 9th to Wednesday 15th August.
In the meantime, if you have any questions, please feel free to get in touch with Mayur on firstname.lastname@example.orgAugust 7, 2018 at 1:41 pm #277956
You need to do research on how to find the DAS employer agreement identifier!
Words fail me.August 7, 2018 at 2:34 pm #277971
Dare I ask what research is needed just to display an ID code?
And isn’t it a little late for this?
It just needs to be easy to find/report so providers can catch up with the backlog ASAP.August 7, 2018 at 3:03 pm #277980
Could you just add “Employers” as a third option to the home screen in DAS, along with “Your cohorts” and “Manage your apprentices”? You could also list the cohorts we have with those employers there.
Richard.August 8, 2018 at 11:54 am #278098
Guess the research went well: http://feconnect.sfa.bis.gov.uk/blog/uncategorized/apprenticeship-service-new-agreement-identifier/August 9, 2018 at 2:50 pm #278392
We’re now several days on from the announcement regarding the new field.
Can anyone see anything yet as we’ve been looking but haven’t found anything. If anyone has found it can they please share which screen it is on.August 14, 2018 at 12:05 pm #279378
I can see that this is now visible in an Employer account, but has anyone been able to find the Agreement Identifier within a Training Provider account?
Thanks for any helpAugust 14, 2018 at 5:02 pm #279466
Went into the Apprentice Service – still cannot see where to find the Agreement Identifier. Has anyone had any luck finding it.August 15, 2018 at 10:15 am #279582
Henry, could I make a constructive suggestion that maybe your colleagues work out how training providers are supposed to obtain information *before* issuing guidance telling us that we have to return that information?
Apprenticeship data is becoming increasingly farcical.August 15, 2018 at 10:57 am #279596
We passed farcical several years ago IMHO.August 15, 2018 at 8:43 pm #279684
Nothing yet.August 16, 2018 at 7:53 am #279742
I took part in the research on Tuesday and was shown some mock up screens of where a provider may be able to locate the identifier but these clearly aren’t even at the development stage yet. We have been contacting the employers we work with, where possible, and asking them to provide us with the Id. The Id became visible on employers AS accounts on Monday.
Are we expected to return the Id for all learners where funding model = 36 and ACT1 or just for those with a 18/19 start date?August 16, 2018 at 10:01 am #279764
There’s another thread on here discussing this issue (here). The consensus seemed to be that it’s all FM36 ACT1, as there’s nothing in the validation rules to say it applies to new starts only.August 16, 2018 at 10:15 am #279771SFA STAFF
Please note the following –
The Agreement ID will be visible to providers on the apprentices details page shortly. Employers can already see the Agreement ID in “Organisations and Agreements”.
HenryAugust 16, 2018 at 11:28 am #279804
just want to confirm that we are expected to input this ID for all of our FM36 ACT1 learners we have had since May 17?
I don’t see how that is particularly fair on providers who are going to have to spend days going back on older data, especially ones who has been working a lot with Levy employers!August 16, 2018 at 11:39 am #279814
Thanks for the update Henry. So, to get the AgreeId, we pick one apprentice from each of our employers, go to their record in DAS and note the number. Is that correct? Is there anyway that you could give us an optional csv download of our data in DAS so we could just insert it into our systems?
Also, when you say shortly, do you mean today, this week or before the end of August?August 16, 2018 at 11:39 am #279816
On the issue of which learner records require the ID, from provider support manual para 233:
“In the 2018 to 2019 funding year, training providers will need to enter the identifier for any levy-funded apprenticeships in their Individualised Learner Record (ILR) returns. This will need to be done for any new starts and for all current apprentices that started before August 2018.”
So yes, a lot of backlog to add in for some providers. I imagine that a further delay in applying the validation to require the ID would be welcomed.
August 16, 2018 at 1:28 pm #279858
- This reply was modified 1 day, 23 hours ago by OFFS.
It is transparently obvious that the window of opportunity to gather this data is being daily shrunk by the delays in getting this ready for the new academic year (which has of course already started and so it is daily increasingly overdue) and the requirement to append this new data to all existing continuing records as well as new starters is creating an intolerable burden upon Providers at an already busy time.
There can be no doubt that more information from the ESFA is required and that it is essential that there is leniency and acceptance that if (!) a Return is to be made for R01 then it cannot have this field populated for all Learners within the Return and that any without it filled in will NOT be excluded from the acceptable submission.August 16, 2018 at 6:54 pm #279917
ESFA have already said in http://feconnect.sfa.bis.gov.uk/blog/uncategorized/apprenticeship-service-new-agreement-identifier/ : “The agreement identifier is not currently a mandatory requirement so payments will not be affected where an error is identified”
The last I heard was that it might be required for R02. I would say that is now wishful thinking…August 17, 2018 at 10:24 am #280030
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